tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post1129646818733522750..comments2023-03-07T06:13:53.526-05:00Comments on Drats the Squirrels & Nuts are taking over: Knowing one regressive shelter manager doesn't make you a "know it all"By20houndshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01270646010444091362noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post-79834735353723117112011-05-04T16:49:43.176-04:002011-05-04T16:49:43.176-04:00Genius - obviously I take ikssue with the No Kill ...Genius - obviously I take ikssue with the No Kill Nation agenda to ignore the reality of pet overpopulation and the role that irresponsible pet owners/breeders play in producing many of the problems that associated with supporting long term financing of animal issues in our community. My follow up post "Playing the No Kill/Shelter Blame Game addresses some of the issues. I'vde taken a lot of criticism for addressing these issues on this blog but the reality is these are issues that SHOULD have been discussion topics on the No Kill Nation Facebook page but THEY decided not to allow these discussions. <br /><br />I'm not inclined to trust any organization who's leadership is not prepared or able to defend their mission. Hence, these topics will continue to be discussed as we move forward.<br /><br />True advocates (which the leaders of NKN are not) shlould already have thick skin and understand that advocacy work is not for the feint of heart nor is it a popularity contest either. Right Thomas?By20houndshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01270646010444091362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post-39925013266610647292011-05-04T16:29:37.586-04:002011-05-04T16:29:37.586-04:00Great post, so true, one has to be honest. I perso...Great post, so true, one has to be honest. I personally question the idea that of the ?? million animals in shelter, 90% are adoptable. Well fine. If those ??17 million people adopt those 90%, what will happen to next year's "crop" (for want of a better word) of animals in shelters. Will ??17million people get another pet? No, not for a few years, I would HOPE. Where are the next 17 million people coming from? India?<br />Plus, many of those animals were not properly trained. Rehabbing is a great, but pretty unrealistic idea. We should be working to educate kids about animals, moreso than <br />teaching how to rehab a damaged pet. jmo.<br /><br />Thanks.The Angry Broadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567794467417543300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post-39397372898252925502011-05-04T09:45:57.308-04:002011-05-04T09:45:57.308-04:00Thomas - I'm not sure you actually read anythi...Thomas - I'm not sure you actually read anything in this article so I'll skip commenting on your history lesson. The only "thugs" mentioned where those thugs who found it appropriate to hold a threatening protest in front of a shelter managers home despite failing to prove their case that this manager was responsible for the horrendous kill numbers at MDAS. I'll ovedrlook your comments on MDAS as simply being "ill informed". <br /><br />I will comment on your proposed solution. You wrote: <br /><br />Two things have to happen in the next few years:<br /><br />1) (MARKETING) Change these ugly prison facilities known as "shelters" into inviting centers where happy, well-adjusted animals stay together while awaiting their adoption and make people want to visit and return with friends;<br /><br />2) (REHAB) Establish a national training center to begin producing rehabbers with skills to deal with the millions of animals killed needlessly in today's death rows across America's animal prison system. These rehabbers can then return to their communities and pass on these skills so animals needing help can get it - instead of death in a gas chamber or a needle.<br /><br />My only question would be "who is going to pay for funding a nationwide program of replacing over 3,500 kill shelters with "inviting centers for the public"? This sounds like but another unfunded mandate that completely ignores the reality of developing programs and laws that drastically reduce the number of pets entering the shelter system in the first place. <br /><br />Your idea sounds great for a small scale effort of constructing "No Kill" shelters funded by private non profit humane organizations but it is not practical in including public funded shelters in that type of a program. <br /><br />From my perspective, I would oppose building such a shelter in my own county because taxpayers are simply fed up with this big government approach at solving all our problems. The fact is, government shouldn't be in the sheltering business period. I certainly don't want my tax dollars funneled into but another ineffective government program that mandates more revenue being dumped into finding a solution to all of the pets that shouldn't be there if only we worked on reducing or eliminating the effect of irresponsible pet ownership. It's also why I will oppose passing any CAPA type bill in my home state as well. Not that a CAPA bill will ever make it through our conservative government in the first place.By20houndshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01270646010444091362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post-712961625121364392011-05-04T09:13:31.359-04:002011-05-04T09:13:31.359-04:00Thomas - you wrote on No Kill Nation "Hi NKN!...Thomas - you wrote on No Kill Nation "Hi NKN! I was sent a link to a blog about NKN's approach to solving problems. Thought you might enjoy my response. Better read it quickly as I doubt it will stay up as a comment for long!'<br /><br />Guess what Thomas? Your comment is still here. Unlike No Kill Nation's policy of banning, blocking, deleting or simply insulting all posts that don't agree with their cultist agenda this blog doesn't block opinions that differ from the writer. Unless your comment is a personal assault or has nothing to do with the blog topic discussed it will STAY. I've never understood those who can't defend their positions with ahving to resort to blocking or stifling discussions on important "movements" as such but YOU'LL have to ask No Kill nation those questions as I and many of my hard core advocate friends are prohibitted from having an intelligent conversation on thse "cultists" groups. Fortunately, the Internet remains an open resource for ALL to express their opinions even you. Enjoy your day and thanks for posting the link to this blog on No Kill Nation's page.By20houndshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01270646010444091362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4938619138651987959.post-68689906093089447872011-05-03T18:14:43.852-04:002011-05-03T18:14:43.852-04:00Throughout history those in power and their suppor...Throughout history those in power and their supporters have always called those seeking change "thugs." Barbarians at the gates, the Great Unwashed, terrorists, etc.<br /><br />Names like Ghandi and Rev. King, of course, lead the list of thugs who would rip the cloak of respectability from those in power, unveiling the flaws in the Establishment.<br /><br />It is one name that stands out above all others to me that best represents this "thuggery" you write about:<br /><br />There was a loud, brash, insulting black man, a US Olympic boxer, named Cassius Clay who started his climb to notoriety in the 1960s. One day he announced to the world that he, Mohammed Ali, was The Greatest. In fact, over the years his nickname became The Greatest. He screamed at every camera he could get in front of. Every "decent" white citizen had to take umbrage with every word he screamed at "The Establishment."<br /><br />But Ali won the hearts and minds of most white Americans - despite his loudmouth antics - by doing two things:<br />1) He backed up his rhetoric with boxing championships;<br />2) He put everything on the line and gave it all up to back up his recent conversion as a peace-loving Muslim. He defied The Establishment's call to war (Vietnam) and said no, I won't go. That took guts and gained our respect.<br /><br />I doubt if there is any person or movement that has challenged The Establishment that hasn't at the beginning been called a group of thugs.<br /><br />So rant on and support your ugly Establishment. As for this grassroots movement, some day in the future the no-kill movement will be known as a good thing. It will join the honored halls of movements like Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights Movement.<br /><br />In the meantime, you might try reviewing my website and see that I do not just advocate to "stop the killing." In conjunction with Nathan Winograd's effective and common-sense No-Kill Equation, I present solutions which will change the course of American sheltering.<br /><br />Two things have to happen in the next few years:<br />1) (MARKETING) Change these ugly prison facilities known as "shelters" into inviting centers where happy, well-adjusted animals stay together while awaiting their adoption and make people want to visit and return with friends;<br /><br />2) (REHAB) Establish a national training center to begin producing rehabbers with skills to deal with the millions of animals killed needlessly in today's death rows across America's animal prison system. These rehabbers can then return to their communities and pass on these skills so animals needing help can get it - instead of death in a gas chamber or a needle.<br /><br />Here's the solution. Please check it out = https://sites.google.com/site/drdoolittle2800/Overviewdrdoolitte2800https://www.blogger.com/profile/06856113360287254804noreply@blogger.com