Saturday, May 25, 2013

The disgruntled ever shrinking brain of no kill

It seems that the no kill nuts keep referring to just about everything written on this blog as being "lies and defamation" directed towards the "fearless" No Kill Nation's leader Debi Day.

Granted, after a long court battle that started off seeking transparency on money collected by No Kill Nation that morphed into a default judgment and what appeared to be some resolution on the financials of the Everglades Project.  No Kill Nation finally released an accounting on the Everglades Project close to a year later with most people who have followed the case thinking that the drama and nonsense and nonsense would end.

The court ordered "permanent injunction" does prohibit writing any future articles or blogs that referred to No Kill Nation and/or its agents as "scammers" or to insinuate in any mannerism that No Kill Nation was involved in charity fraud. 

While others are free analyze the financial connections surrounding No Kill Nation Drats is not nor will.

That being said there are other issues that demonstrate No Kill Nation's leadership failures that Drats can wrote about.  Those areas include the incompetent leadership coming from a small but vocal group that spends far more time attacking the animal protection community than focusing on building a grass roots movement that reforms our nations shelters.

One would think taking on the responsibility of assisting other shelter reform advocates with reforming their shelter would require a leadership team experienced in bringing about change and a group of skilled advocates capable of focusing in the task at hand - educating others on their own success in shelter reform.

But that hasn't been the case.  Instead No Kill Nation's leader Debi Day has become obsessed with seeking personal retribution directed at this writer.  That retribution includes seeking to have him jailed for refusing to sign an agreement not to comment on No Kill Nation at all.

As in all my writing I take the first amendment very seriously.  As we all reflect on the sacrifices our soldiers have made throughout generations it would be simply callous not to acknowledge that brave men and woman fought and died so that ALL Americans can live in a democracy where different opinions on political issues is a way of life. 

Free speech is part of the first amendment because our forefathers who wrote the constitution that it was that important.

We don't live in a society where the super wealthy can buy the silence of those who are not wealthy enough to defend frivolous law suits in a court system which seems to ignore the fact that these rights are part of our heritage.  In the coming weeks Drats will explore some of the comments posted by No Kill Nation's leader and her minion followers who seem confused over the concept of what libel is or isn't.

These same confused minions keep insisting on proof on the issue this blog addresses so what better proof to offer but words right out of the children of the no kill korn's mouths themselves?

So, who are some of the ardent no kill followers working diligently in lowering our shelter kill numbers?  What are some of the intelligent discussions that the No Kill leader involves herself and her followers in?  Are they discussing problems with implementing the No Kill Equation when they gather behind Debi's blocked Face Book page? 

The above comment seems to have a whole lot of anger and misguided efforts directed at a writer that No Kill Nation's leader claims "no one listens too anyway".  Of course, since followers - "follow" it is not surprising that Allison (who one would think is looking for solutions to her home town high kill shelter in Fulton County Georgia) would be mesmerized by the tenacity of her fearless no kill leader hell bent of vengeance instead of saving lives. 

Most of us who have spent any time at all reading on the issues have by now been subjected to the vile mouth of a comic strip character better known in real life as Maria Venuto.  Lucy has become not only the mouth piece for no kill but a repulsive follower who has tarnished and painted this movement to being more about hatred than saving lives.

It is easy to see with her incredibly shrinking brain that has been pickled from years of alcohol abuse where Debi be confused by the stories on our now dog barking case in Gwinnett.

One thing that I have learned about Debi is she has no patience and becomes frustrated when her money can't buy her the salvation and the adoration she is seeking.  With her efforts to have me jailed taking far too long Debi decided to launch into personal attacks to show that the comments being shared on Drats can't be trusted.

While Debi would like people to think I am a hoarder who is irresponsible to not only my hounds but the community as well the article she references tells an entirely different story.

When faced with a bogus dog barking charge filed by a real estate agent only seeking to make a fast $50,000 flipping the house next door that included a demand that all of the hounds be surrendered at our then high kill shelter I refused.  Instead I waged a long hotly contested battle with the county that resulted in being sentenced to two years probation but being allowed to keep all the hounds. 

Most advocates including the no kill nuts who routinely malign me would have sought cover or even worse caved to a threat of facing twelve years in jail and paying $24,000 in fines for refusing to surrender the hounds I love.  I am NOT like most no kill advocates - instead, I drew that line in the sand and fought for not only my hounds but others who had been intimidated into surrendering their pets as well.

Further, as part of my probation stipulations I was prohibited from writing about the county law office, animal control or the "animal rights" attorney who prosecuted our case. 

I ignored those stipulations and instead launched into a campaign to rewrite our "draconian" dog barking law making sure that no other pet owner would ever be threatened with losing their dog or facing a jail term simply because they were accused of having a barking dog.

In the process of stepping on toes in the county law office and in ultimately succeeding in rewriting our dog barking law I was dragged into court seven times as the county sought to revoke my probation.  I was successful in all but the last court hearing where the judge sentenced me to thirty days in jail for again refusing to consider surrendering one of the hounds.

People inclined to draw their own conclusion on the plus twenty hounds who have shared my home for over twelve years now could simply visit our Facebook page where over 1,500 hundred photos have been shared.  Not many hoarders would go that route but I share the hounds to serve as an example of what wonderful companions shelter dogs can be.

While I prefer sharing stories and pictures of the hounds other find it more important to share stories about their drinking.  Debi Day claims to be a leader yet at age fifty three she still hasn't outgrown the desire to hang out in bars and try and find happiness in the bottom of a martini glass. 

I lead a much simpler, quiet life surrounded by the hounds I love.  Holding up a bar stool and telling complete strangers how famous you are as the leader of a No Kill Nation is simply a lame attempt at validating an otherwise useless existence. 

Debi won't find the solutions to solving the problems of pet overpopulation in Broward County by being a bar fly.  If it makes her feel manly then so be it but she might want to simply grow up and face her demons in a much more productive way then drinking herself into a stupor every night.

There is nothing funny about orchestrating personal attacks on people or issues that Debi is completely ignorant about.  Her actions show an immaturity that prevents her from leading anything let alone a serious movement reforming our nation's animal shelters.

Advocacy isn't child's play.  That alone is the reason why neither Debi nor her "No Kill Nation will ever accomplish anything but be an embarrassment to an advocacy community that deserves the mature knowledgeable leadership needed to forge ahead saving the lives our nation's homeless pets. 

Love Drats

Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Even breeder rats will abandon a sinking ship

While “Drats” is new to the advocacy community as a writer I am not.  Years ago I spent a considerable portion  of my time on many of the "breeder forums and yahoo groups including Patti Strand’s “NAIA”, Walt Hutchens many “PetLaw” groups and some high volume breeder forums out of Missouri.

For the most part these groups were not real friendly with those “animal rights” nuts who were out to make sure pet were extinct.  To participate on these groups you definitely had to check any anti breeder bias at the door.  Needless to say that’s easier said than done so I was frequently booted off these boards only to come back later with a new alias and a new persona as well.

I have to say that participating in these group discussions enlightened me on a number of issues.  Some of my views on responsible breeding and responsible pet ownership comes from more conservative thinking that some members (who were breeders) offered, including Walt Hutchens himself.  Yet, some of my opinions were only verified with the extreme thinking that went against any premise I had allowing support for high volume breeding or that companion pets should be a commodity to be used for purely financial motivations.

I’ve never considered myself part of any real group or movement.  Instead, I arrive at opinions I’m comfortable with as an advocate for change and as a pet owner.

Enter the Nathan Winograd inspired “No Kill” movement.  Its troubling that the movement’s leadership lacks the honesty and integrity needed for serious shelter reform.  Instead, early on Winograd sold out to the breeder interests with his mantra of pet overpopulation being a myth and the hawkish battle he has waged with the animal protection community.’

I do not share his views on either of those two areas.  It remains my position that the animal protection community is fighting the same battle as advocates seeking to not only put an end to shelter killing but more importantly trying to curtail the suffering many animals are exposed to at the hands of those who would exploit them for profit.

Drats wrote of Winograd’s involvement with Rick Berman and his Center for Consumer Freedom.  Winograd’s explanation was that Berman contacted him and he agreed to an interview.  He has also repeatedly claimed that this interview does not mean he supports Berman in any way.  Do you think people would be outraged if Dr King granted an interview with the leader of an oppressor group like the Klue Klux Klan to simply help promote his book?

There is no redemption in sitting down with the devil, a man responsible for exploiting the suffering of people and their companion friends, using him to promote the sale of your books to breeders.  It’s simply blood money flowing from the hands of the exploiters to your bank account.

That Drats blog was removed along with a number of other blogs written about Winograd and puppy mills under a permanent injunction granted to No Kill Nation.  No Kill Nation’s leader Debi Day filed for an injunction over allegations that her group No Kill Nation refused to report how it spent over $100,000 in donations collected under its “100+ Abandoned Dogs in the Everglades Project” in the fall of 2011.

It has also been highly suspect that any leader of a self described advocacy group would have spent close to $100,000 in legal fees when a far simpler solution would have been to just share an accounting on how the money was spent.  What other ulterior motive would have?  Read on.

Drats wrote a blog which discussed the financial support Nathan Winograd received in accepting cash from a Texas breeder support group called the Responsible Pet Owners Alliance (RPOA).  Winograd has repeated denied or refused to discuss this allegation.  Yet, on his own No Kill Advocacy letterhead he welcomes RPOA as one of the sponsors for his conference.

While the amount of money that transferred hands is not mentioned the puppy mill business operates much like a Mexican drug cartel where huge amounts of cash is involved.  Payoffs and protection are part of remaining profitable, regulations and government oversight are not.

That cash used to help sponsor bringing Winograd to Houston for the 2009 No Kill Conference was funneled through Bett Sundermyer’s group No Kill Houston.

"No Kill Houston has NO family ties to puppy mills. There is a huge difference in raising a litter of puppies in your home, and a puppy mill" - Bett Sundermyer 

That might be true but there is also a big difference between a breeder who raises a littter of puppies in their home and a breeder who maintains a kennel with several breeds of dogs and advertises those puppies for sale as a commercial breeder.  In fact, records show the family business involved in breeding several  breeds of small “toy” puppies in Houston for decades. Vivian ran/runs a kennel called Machree in Houston and has operated under the names Shiloh Partie Nursery or Shiloh Kennels as well.  According to sources this breeding kennel has been around for twenty plus years.

The family owning a breeding business is clear.  What isn’t clear is why Bett Sundermyer continues to deny this as fact and instead has launched an attack on directed towards my business interests.  My business interests, including those legal interests in Houston DO NOT involve exploiting the sale of puppies in an area with a history of pet overpopulation.

Bett Sundermyer is listed as founder and President of No Kill Houston while Vivian sits on the board as well.  While No Kill Houston’s support for RPOA is distasteful its opposition to the Texas Humane Legislation Network is beyond the pale.  THLN supported last years effort to pass much needed reform regulations that provide reasonable standards for “puppy mils” yet No Kill Houston was silent in opposition.  It is simply disingenuous to not divulge your connections to the breeding industry while taking positions that oppose reform of those same breeder groups.

RPOA has been around longer than I and have opposed puppy mill legislature for over a decade as well.  Mary Beth’s group is NOT a friend to the millions of dogs who have suffered though the years living in squalor conditions supported by the weak laws in Texas that allowed the abuse to continue.

Taking money from the RPOA laundered through No Kill Houston doesn’t cleanse the blood of dogs who suffered or died from the weak laws in Texas that should have protected them.  It is no wonder why self proclaimed advocacy groups like No Kill Houston were silent in supporting the recently passed Texas version of puppy mill reform – HB 1451.  Drats wrote about HB 1451’sa passing as well  That too was removed for being defamatory against No Kill Nation.

The third strike against Winograd’s real motives and support was a blog written which pointed out Nathan’s participation in giving a no kill presentation at an AKC sponsored dog show in Long Beach California.  What follows is a face book discussion with several breeders I have had the pleasure meeting through the years.  It is one thing for me to write about these breeder connections to Winograd’s No Kill movement but an entirely different eye opening experience when breeders confirm what I have just stated.

But, as you’ll see – even the breeder rats are jumping ship. I’ve highlighted the names of those commenting and key make it easier to read.

Jackie Kensler
Yesterday at 3:19am (October 28, 2012)

LanCo shelter goes "no kill," critics say growing trend harms pets

My AKC fed, the Florida Association of Kennel Clubs, just came out in opposition to No Kill and I believe their reasons were similar to this. Maybe it's time to rethink No Kill. Perhaps we've not understood it as well as we thought?

Candace Ware True "No Kill Equation" shelters (Winograd's plan) remain open admission. There are 50 communities doing it that way and they are reportedly killing less than 10% of their total intake, and the euthanasia they do perform is justified by aggression, age, health, etc.

Unfortunately, there are shelters out there calling themselves "No Kill" but not following the entire equation. The most common example of this, as far as I can see, are shelters that are *not* open-admission shelters. If, when they go no-kill, a shelter starts "cherry picking" only the most marketable animals -- then they are not technically "No Kill" as outlined by Winograd. They are just shifting the problem elsewhere; not solving it.

I have no personal opinion on whether it works, or how well, as I try not to opine on things unless I have actual hands-on experience with them. But according to what I have read, there are a few dozen communities operating in accordance with Winograd's guidelines and it appears they are making it work.

Didi Culp The shelter where I work does not have to euthanize dogs for space. We don't call ourselves "NK" because every case is arguable. For example, a dog that kills chickens may be adoptable and definitely would not have to be put down if he had an owner or trainer who did not need him to live with chickens. But in a shelter we are comparing him to dogs that have never killed anything. (For the record we did find a great home for a White GSD who kills chickens. 5 years later, still good).

Jackie Kensler omg probably most BTs would kill chickens...

Jackie Kensler Candace Ware some NK shelters do under the table deals w/other shelters and fudge on their numbers.. Regardless, the name is being perverted so there's nk confusion that apparently can cause big problems.

Jackie Kensler and Candace Ware the NK Equation says other things that they don't even try to live up to as evidenced by NW's recent blog where he advocates for the extinction of the breeds. When I think of the effect that is going to have on his followers who read that and recognize his full endorsement of the absolute end to breeding it is clear nk is drawing a line in the sand that can't be misinterpretted; there is no more pretense. Stand by for a tsunami of breeder hate. This guy was at a dog show speaking to breeders and selling his book, and now he is saying, oh, the joke's on you--I never cared about your breeds and I never cared about you. You were just someone to use to promote my name. He is saying very plainly that tho he stands by his claim that shelter over-pop is a myth which absolves breeders from being the cause of overall problems, he's decided they must make the sacrifice anyway and stop all breeding so no one can acquire a dog any other way but adoption--and it's obvious this must happen either by force legally, or by continuing to campaign against them so no one buys from them--you have to be thick as a brick not to get that message. And if the breeds die which they will that is no skin off his nose--he won't shed a tear he says--since they hold no value whatsoever to him and dogs would all be healthier if they were mutts. ...really...nw bite me...hard..

Candace Ware If that is what he was saying then I can see why you'd be upset. I would be too. Totally. But that's a lot to draw from what I read. I'll have to go back and read it again. I sort oof got the impression he was only saying that to counter people who thought he was overly supporting of breeders. Like he was getting flack from the AR/vegan contingent about not going after breeders. It struck me as a reaction to that, not a declaration that he and No Kill would henceforth advocate for the extinction of breeds.

Candace Ware That whole "mutts are healthier" thing has been debunked, I thought.

Jackie Kensler there is no thinking about it...he's being an ass and he knows it. all he cares about his having another blog under his belt that makes someone out to be the evil antagonist so he can be Mary Poppins. Do you actually think he's that angry when he sits down to write those things? He's have dropped over from a heart attack by now or his stomach would look like swiss cheese. He's calculating and creating his WWF scenarios to keep his market stimulated and they love that stuff. He prolly goes home, has a steak dinner and whelps a litter of puppies...he's a phony...

Jackie Kensler either way he's very calculating and he's using breeders as a pawn. he can kiss it...

Jackie Kensler yes that's exactly what he did. He got accused of being soft on breeders so he said..oh yeah? Watch how soft I am..come here breeders, now stand there while I kick the s**t out of you for everyone to see. They're not going to accuse me of being soft. And just to underscore it...I'll come right out and deliver the ultimate message about how hard I can be...I'll kill your children. Now see how soft I am? See how I can destroy someone and if I ever get my hands on whoever threatened my dog this is what I will do to you. I get totally what he's saying.

Jackie Kensler he can't really touch the people who came after him after DAC (Douglas Anthony Cooper) stirred them up, so he's grabbed the easiest target and used them as example of his prowess. He's gone though his history of breeder-hate reminding them of all of the blows he's delivered and he's bragging about his ultimate manliness in bashing the AKC in his book. How dare you say I'm a breeder-lover..have you forgotten the size of my set? Well if you have, I'll illustrate for you...I'll perform a public flogging these breeders won't forget and neither will'll never accuse me of being soft again. And if you do, I'll have this on record to prove you are, here's my stand in case there is any confusion. To hell with the breeds and to hell with all the breeders. My take---he suffered a Narcissistic Injury and this is what narcissists do to recover---they find someone to flog...someone must pay. This ensures they maintain their image and if it's being feared that's as good as being loved, as long as they're on top. He's the only one who's exhaulted. I've been saying for a long time I thought he was a narcissist and he's falling right in line. That statement proves to me beyond any question whatsoever---he has no empathy...what he said was as cold as ice. Anyone who can't see that has not read that blog, doesn't care that he said what he said or isn't paying very close attention, figures he runs his mouth anyway so it doesn't matter, or wants to play over it so his image won't be sullied b/c they don't want to admit maybe supporting him isn't all that smart...AR is AR and he's as AR as they bloody come.

Jackie Kensler Candace Ware -- It might be that personally deep down inside he doesn't have a problem with some's hard to tell. What he is in reality and what he is in his blogs don't have to be the same thing--it's like writing pulp fiction. He has to keep a story line going and he knows exactly the elements to throw into it by now b/c that's what keeps him in business. He's a salesman and he wakes up every morning unemployed. He has to stimulate donations, sell books and I imagine get contracts and those blogs are his primary marketing tool. He attracts $ and he grows his following to do his work for him--he clones himself. He's either just a cut-throat who figures all's fair--don't take it personally--or he's the genuine article, really wants to wipe out breeding and just like HSUS will toy with them whenever it's useful knowing he'll cut their hearts out eventually--they are totally objectified and he pulls them in and pushes them away however it suits him. But the thing is, what he says affects legislation and the people he's using as pawns are playing for keeps. He can just keep on truckin' if he loses...but when we lose, we lose it for good. And notice he uses "the term" 13 times in that blog--it's the only way he refers to breeders at all--it's like machine gun fire. Accident.....yeah right. He's working up his audience so by the time he finishes off the beating with the climax they are right there with him--who needs breeds anyway...death to the selfish shallow breeders and death to their stupid, unhealthy, worthless breeds. But the breeders will overlook it b/c well if you don't support him you're stuck w/the stigma of turning your back on suffering. I'd better say I support no kill or what does that say about me? Well...things are not so cut and dried here and maybe the truth is coming out about that, too. It does not in any way put anyone on the side of HSUS and ASPCA as I'm sure he would have it believed--it's not hi-kill or no-kill and you don't have to choose. Specifically for the reason you said; it's possible to achieve the same goal w/o promoting his brand. I recently heard reference to something called "save more"---I like that name a lot. Doesn't that describe it with much more accuracy and ... surprise--it does not contain the obligatory AR emotive language with the built in guilt trip.

Didi Culp I am not in favor of new laws in this climate. Making fair decisions in a polarized lobbying arena is impossible. Euthanasia, by definition, is only possible when an animal is dying. Period. Spending tax dollars for the humane slaughter of companion animals with issues is a problem in these economic times. Suffering or warehousing living creatures is also not a solution. The belief industry has co-opted all these concerns which draws people who don't care a whit about the issues. They just see the money pile. In the end it's good people who need their money and their companion animals who will be separated from both. ARGH.

Lynn Turriff I would like to know exactly who these 'experts' are, and
where they get their information.

We have been blindsided all too often by people who are
accorded 'expert' status, only to discover that they are
strong AR advocates, if not outright extremists.

I do find this a little disturbing:

"The league said it will try to accommodate as many animals
that it can and that creating a "no-kill" community will
require "strong licensing laws, spay/neuter initiatives and
animal control programs" on the local, county and state

Why not *enforce* the leash laws they have? Is there
another flurry of restrictive ordinances in the pipeline?
The simplest solution to most of the few problems that do
exist is to enforce existing least and abuse laws, not to
impose more. Why will they 'try to accomodate' ..? True
no-kill is open admission.

This doesn't sound like Winograd's no-kill at all, it
sounds like a 'we can prove this won't work' effort.

So .. it kind of seems they are playing both ends against
the middle. Two different AR influenced groups disputing
territory. And .. guess who loses

Jackie Kensler
Friday at 4:13am (October 26, 2012)

Their true colors aren't the only ones showing here. This is the true Nathan and he's cloning himself daily. How can anyone who loves the breeds allign themselves with this? What is he capable of doing if he's capable of even saying it? There has to be a way to support shelter reform without getting behind someone like this.

"I bashed the AKC in Redemption. And I believe that though dogs are not dying because of pet overpopulation, they are still dying. And as long as that is true, I believe people should adopt from a rescue or shelter. I also could not care less about maintaining breeds and never have. As far as I am concerned, if all dogs become all-mutt, that would be fine with me and probably healthier for the dogs. I’m a Heinz 57 man myself."    Nathan Winograd

Jay Kitchener Makes no sense. Not logical. Mixed breeds come from pure breeds. Can't have one without the other. (sigh)

Jackie Kensler he's a lying sob and he's a total b'tard. He's filling those ppl full of garbage and he knows it. He's equating the worst of the worst w/pet shops and telling those ppl those breeders aren't regulated. he's a damned liar

Anke Masters I am pretty fed up with the compartmentalizing. Just because they coined a catchy name for it does not mean that many people have not worked for shelter animals prior to them. Just because some big money showed up and pushed HSUS, does not mean, there weren't lots of people fighting HSUS long before. We have been rescuing long before 'rescue' became the new business model and war cry, we have been pushing shelters long before W.N. showed up and we have been educating folks about HSUS long before HW was created. AARRGG I do not begrudge them their success - how can I - however, N.W. throwing breeders under the bus, DAC throwing HWers under the bus to maintain and justify the 'purity' of their souls or whatever ..... in my mind proves the lack of purity in their hearts. Do it for the cause, the good, quit bragging about it and you don't have to smack down others. Anybody bragging about their good deeds does not hold much credence in my book.

Jackie Kensler this guy is sick

Thomas Kirby In one of his earlier blog posts he mentioned conditions under which the HSUS could redeem itself. Trouble is, sincere or not, if the HSUS can redeem itself under certain conditions, it can pretend that those conditions were met. It can also then evade bent held accountable for its crimes, for which its executives should spend a lot of time in jail for. It can run out the statute of limitations by delaying the reckoning then its victims will still be hurt and they will be unable to be prosecuted.

Jackie Kensler he doesn't care about the breeds....well he is creating a whole lot of other idiots who are not going to care about he breeds either. He is devaluing everything we value and teaching that. And peopel will listne..especially young ppl and they are impressionable. he is dangerous and he should not be supported. That's sick and he even says thehy're not ressonsible for over pop.He just doesn't want them breeding anyway. he wants it that way.

Anke Masters but bottom line is, that we could unite and be a power as well. It's not his fault that our side can't get it together and insists on being snooty. I am over-simplifying of course, but we are free to create a fighting force as well. We have many good groups fighting but it's not N.W.'s fault that we can't get much traction. That's on US!!

Jackie Kensler true but Im' not going to promote his shit. he can bite me

Jackie Kensler everybody needs to see what he said...everybody needs to know the truth. This guy is stark raving mad

Jackie Kensler DAC wrote an article about him...he makes him sound like such a normal person. No veganism, no AR, and no hint that he doesn't give a shit if every breed disappears. Well I think people have a right to know that. Now DAC says Bermam isn't transparent??? That Nathan is up kill is honest? Well DAC was not very honest. He hid some very improtant info..namely that this guy is a snap case....he's bats**t crazy and he should not be responsible for the laws and rules of our society i.e. our shelters.

Jackie Kensler he is not to be trusted

Jackie Kensler he shouldn't be anywhere near a shelter

Thomas Kirby "Our side" has trouble getting out of the starting gates because some of us still give away power. I can explain the psychological mechanism in great detail. The people who are giving us trouble do not deserve to "regulate, not ban" and they don't deserve to hear "we're not saying that any idiot should own a tiger."

It's awful hard to start out in a leaky rowboat that some people insist on drilling holes in. They also bash on people who want to patch those holes. Not as much, but this is improving too slowly.

Jackie Kensler you do realize when you push no kill you're simply pimping for him. when a shelter decides to do it they hire him as a consultant. that's what it's all about. well Im not pimping for this ahole anymore. he wants to destroy breeders and he wants to destroy breeds. F him!!! no breeder should be support that ever. period,.

Anke Masters I doubt he would, He's vegan after all LOL

Jackie Kensler any breeder who supports no kill is just plain stupid

Anke Masters no-kill as his movement, sure. Breeders against needless shelter killings, hardly.

Thomas Kirby Not stupid. It can take a little time to peel off this mask.

Jackie Kensler Anke Masters ya know, that's the kind thing that's such a no -brainer it should not have to be said. It's insulting for it not to be implied as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who couldn't ascertain that isn't worth sending a message. What else could it mean?

Anke Masters it might be insulting to you but there are plenty of people who dont get it.

Jackie Kensler there are other ways to support shelter reform and shelter reform doesn't mean kill more. There are shelters who have done it without him. Not every shelter is the hell he makes them out to be; that works for him, just like it works to make breeders out as non-human. non-human. not worth caring about; not of value; not deserving of anything they value. insignificant and if you check this post where it is in another place, apparently not deserving of honesty either. Just another sly marketing dawg...anyone who thinks other wise is in lala land. and I'm glad I said it before this blog came out because it's been bugging me for quite some time--since last December at least.

Jackie Kensler I don't care I don't care. I really really don't care...

Jackie Kensler that's like saying hi, btw I'm human. If it's not someone who can pick it up in conversation or ask, then if they don't get that they aren't going to get anything else. I get it..that's all that matters to me.

Thomas Kirby His methods are the kind that work on smart people.

Jackie Kensler i just lost electricity just like that poof!

Jackie Kensler i love what you said about compartmentalizing, Anke Masters. That was brilliant. Well, this is my page, and I figure if folks on my page can't figure it out...that's another problem. I'm not going to assume anyone's stupidity for them. They're going to have to step up and claim it :) It doesn't need correcting. It's not a question. Correcting it for anybody demeans me as a human....not you specifically, but just anybody. That's the kind of thing I don't want corrected.

Thomas Kirby Getting tired, angry, and frustrated can give you a chance to gain a stronger perspective on this and stronger resolve.

Jackie Kensler what do you mean Thomas Kirby about his methods?

Thomas Kirby Jackie, I think that you are working through a few things and coming to a greater understanding. The things that you are understanding better will piss you off. I don't know how many times I've had to say that I simply can't believe this BS and that this BS rules. The reason that it rules is because the BSers have a motive to lord it over other people. You and I have our plates full trying to live our lives and we don't have a motive to get over on others, other than self-defense. Maybe that's where some of the BSers come from too, they simply broke after trying to be decent people and getting worked over.

Jackie Kensler ok Thomas Kirby -- make sure you read the blog and what I pulled out up in the status, and then read this.

Here's what I'm seeing. I've thought for a long time NW was probably a narcissist. if you've read any of Malignant Self-Love, it talks about th...See More

Thomas Kirby The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more and no less.

I haven't put that one together like you have. I did figure that he was setting it up so that we would associate his program with the beating that the HSUS and the ASPCA need. If he becomes enough of an icon he can sway people to thinking that the HSUS and ASPCA need to be corrected, rather than totally obliterated and all executives jailed.

Winograd has worse than his ego to protect. He has a program to protect.

Thomas Kirby You might think of it as a controlled descent. The ASPCA has done it before. They might still be aware that they get stripped of their power when they get too big for their britches eventually, and right now it looks like they bid fair not only to kill the golden goose, but to nuke the entire farm and salt it with cobalt-60. This is the result of a generation of narcissist ASPD (anti-social personality disorder) types that don't even have the sense to let what they harvest grow back, and to actually clear-cut and fail to re-plant. Their own fathers are going to want them dead. If they are "redeemed" ten years from now they will be taking "credit" for restoring our freedoms and the environment.

Note - There you have it.  Drats has been peeling away that mask for years.  People are finally starting to open their eyes and listen.

Saturday, May 18, 2013

Death of a social movement – beginning of empathy

Why can't you humans get along?

A social movement by definition consists of a number of people organized and coordinated to achieve a collection of goals, which ultimately lead to social change.  Compared to other forms of collective behavior such as protest movements (which lead to social movements) social movements are generally of longer duration.

Throughout history social movements have lead to the maturation of the country.  A social movement thrives on the ability of a progressive community to capitalize on political opportunities and translates into social change.  Philanthropic acts of financial giving, volunteer activity and a shared association of values are the vehicle that drives this change.

There are three factors critical to a successful no kill movement.  Those three factors include political opportunity, organizational capacity, and framing ability.  The movement itself is framed to portray a clear vision and road map needed for this success, identifies the resource commitments needed to clearly articulate the message and a political environment that is conducive for that change.

A reliable model of social change must be able to explain not only the emergence of the vision but the maintenance and development of the humane organizations needed to chart the movements course.

Smart, honest, committed leaders are invaluable to a movements especially as the movement seeks to create new leaders to keep the movement rolling.  Of utmost importance is an articulate and charismatic leader who can eloquently articulate people's concerns and inspire a positive emotional response.

Social movements face an uphill battle simply surviving; let alone achieving substantial and sustainable political change.  In the no kill movement Facebook groups have a myriad of challenges that focus on two specific areas - one being engaging the movement with a vision that all can agree on and effective tactics for bringing about that change.  However, organizations like No Kill Nation with leaders that are weak on tactical thinking few have trouble focusing and researching a movement’s success.  

Some organizations fail simply because they engage in dishonest, disrupted or violent or abusive action in dealing with anticipated dissent.  While on the surface this type of behavior attracts media attention it also tends to alienate supporters who are not interested in a lack of honest transparency or the drama the attention also includes.  Further, new supporters who are attracted to media attention and personal agenda's further drive away the critical support that comes from more moderate or conservative supporters.

Once the movement loses it original base including a high number of shelter reformists and replaces them with a more radical political agenda the movement dies a slow death.  That death can be facilitated by a drop in supporters, a drop in charitable funding and a trend for the movement itself to lose it's focus.

The rise and fall of emerging stars within the movement also greatly effects the speed and direction of the demise.  Emerging stars who focus on organizational resources and a divisively message ultimately train future leaders with the same misguided skills which seals the movements doom.

The no kill movement can not survive with all the divisive infighting WITHIN our ranks.  The leadership of the movement are remiss in understanding that if the message is NOT being accepted from within the ranks who share the same vision.  How do these same leaders expect to convince the power players and political figures who oppose change to bring about this social change?.  The movements massive internal bickering becomes the focus for the movements direction with opposing views unable to understand the concept of compromising on shared values and respectfully articulating the opposing views.

Without that ability to communicate respectfully with groups who are at war social movements like no kill will continue to lose those political battles as was the cases in Memphis, Louisville, Columbus Ga and countless others to follow.

With political stagnation comes the death of a movement.  It is my hope that WE discover our common ground, those things that we both cherish, and move into a period of empathy that demonstrates an understanding of other’s feeling, situation or motives.  An ego driven movement driven by hate never stands the test of time.

What this movement needs now is peace, love and understanding.

Love Drats  

Friday, May 17, 2013

Is No Kill’s Pro Breeder Position “Pro Kill”

Underhook Kennels 

We've all heard the ad nausea talk coming from the no kill leaders blaming everyone but the breeders for shelter killing.  In my experience lowering intake is a much more prudent and less costly way for communities to end the killing but I have been told my thinking is “old school” or more commonly referred to as PRO KILL.

In an interesting exchange on No Kill Nation’s Facebook page there was this exchange:  (I have left the misspellings and grammar as is – it’s the message I’m sharing)

Kyle x Xxxxxxx “I believe we should have a spay or neuter law. If you are not an approved breeder. You have to fix all your pets. And if you can not afford it they gov will do it for you. No more un wanted babies.”

UnderHook Kennel Kyle, I understand whole heartedly where your coming from, but I dont want to be made to pay for doggy abortions . Its enough that my tax dollors will have to pay for human abortions now taking more for Fido does not help us in the short or long wrong. In my humble opinion If one cant afford a pet an all its expenses one should not own animals, same goes for humans having children. Now in regards to the spay and neuter law and beeing a approved breeder, I believe people have to make that decision for their animals and not the Gov. an beeing a breeder is no easy task. Most people wont have the money , Knowledge or patience to stay the course and become reputable. That in itself will naturally end their cycle. Now if Gov. steps in and says you need licenses degrees, internship .. people wont breed and the few that do wont have enough of a gene pool to breed healthy dogs and thats just the begining of the argument on becoming a licensed breeder.

No Kill Nation Hundreds of communities have mandatory spay/neuter laws. They do not work. They have never created a single No Kill community. In fact, many times they lead to increased impoundments and increased killing. We advocate for what works. Nobody should support a law that does not work and leads to more killing.

So, given an opportunity to educate it’s followers No Kill Nation’s leadership not only fails dismally in correcting this breeders assertion that breeding doesn’t add to pet overpopulation issues but offers misleading or down right inaccurate information on spay neuter laws.  There are NOT hundreds of communities that have enacted a mandatory spay neuter law.

The classic example of communities that have passed “mandatory” spay neuter laws are typically Los Angeles, that failed in its goal when the politicians pulled the funding on targeted spay neuter access.  Without access to affordable spay neuter many pet owners who would have complied with the law and  spay neutered their pets simply couldn’t.

Las Vegas is cited as seeing an increase in shelter intake and kill numbers when it passed a spay neuter law in 2007.  Yet, while MSN was blamed for the increase in pets being surrendered and less pets being adopted the critics of MSN completely ignore the fact that Las Vegas also went through a major housing slump where many of its citizens simply lost their jobs and homes.

Memphis has been cited as a failure as well even though the Memphis law only requires pet owners who have a dog picked up for violating a nuisance law to have that pet altered prior to reclaim.  A similar law is also on the books in Austin Texas.

So, who is this expert on the government’s role in passing responsible spay neuter laws and laws that address unlicensed breeders?  Who is the expert who also spews the same tired rhetoric coming from the No Kill leadership blaming the animal protection community for shelter killing?  Underhook Kennels is a pit bull breeder that Drats wrote about earlier.  Of course that blog was deleted as being defamatory towards No Kill Nation as well.

Shelters across the country kill close to one million pit bulls every year.  Yet, the leadership at No Kill Nation thinks a breeder is justified in breeding more?

Walk into any public shelter and you will find pit bulls under the age of two that have been dumped when families who bought them as puppies realize how unpredictable their temperament really is.  This is the result of irresponsible breeders who train a pit for “sport”.

While Underhook Kennels has pulled down their web site a google search pulls up some disturbing information about their breeding habits.

Puppies up for Adoption.
Henzo an I after his first weight pull venue. Guys Henzo is looking for a new home (Free). He is a 11 month old working pup thats energetic and friendly. He has verbal, leash and weight pull training. To give Henzo a forever home please message me here or call me at 323-7073153. Experienced homes are a plus, thank you

Giving away for free a nearly one year old energetic pit bull is simply irresponsible.

Watch this video of pit bulls raised by Underhook Kennels.- note the phone number for the now defunct Underhook Kennels is the same for a breeder website called

I am not suggesting that Underhook Kennels is doing anything illegal but am suggesting all the warning signs are there.  Yet, No Kill Nation uses his opinions on spay/neuter and his position spewing nonsense about HSUS as if it is credible.  It simply isn’t but then again haven’t we heard that song and dance about inept leadership of a no kill movement hell bent on destroying the animal protection community?

Drats is suggesting that the nuts of no kill exercise poor judgment thus are guilty of killing the hundreds of thousands of pit bulls that wouldn’t die in our shelters if WE simply insisted on laws that prevent irresponsible breeders from bringing them into this world in the first place.  That is PRO KILL.

Notes – To learn more about the pit bull breeding community visit sites like

Wednesday, May 15, 2013


Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
Freedom just around the corner for you
But with truth so far off, what good will it do.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

So swiftly the sun sets in the sky
You rise up and say goodbye to no one
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread
Both of their futures, so full of dread, you don't show one
Shedding off one more layer of skin
Keeping one step ahead of the persecutor within.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

You're a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds
Manipulator of crowds, you're a dream twister
You're going to Sodom and Gomorrah
But what do you care ? Ain't nobody there would want marry your sister
Friend to the martyr, a friend to the woman of shame
You look into the fiery furnace, see the rich man without any name.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed
Michelangelo indeed could've carved out your features
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame
Preacherman seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain
Nightsticks and water cannons, tear gas, padlocks
Molotov cocktails and rocks behind every curtain
False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin
Only a matter of time 'til the night comes stepping in.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

It's a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet
He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot
Oh, Jokerman, you know what he wants
Oh, Jokerman, you don't show any response.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.